Is There Something Written There That We Can't See?
Another deluge of fickle internet attention has passed, our cultural tendency to not care about art and design was lifted briefly, and we are free to go about chatting in the little coffee shop here. In addition to trying to finish up a little project, I thought I would attempt to tackle some of the criticism / attacks out there on the last post. I'm a big boy. I make no claims to being correct. I get plenty of things wrong plenty of the time.
We have a pretty good pattern in our culture about dealing with comments. Either you play by a certain set of rules or get labeled a troll and discarded etc. My belief however, is that somewhere in that simple comment that someone posts, there might be something worth learning.
I'll predicate the discussion with a few of my most firm beliefs:
- If you label someone as a derogatory term (EG "troll"), you are effectively dismissing them and, regardless of what they said, you are discarding a potentially valuable insight.
- If we stick everything on a polemical scale of YES / NO or +1 / -1, we oversimplify the situation and make no significant cultural gain or understanding.
- General commentary might be seen as a pretty good averaging of cultural understanding. Biased obviously towards those that are willing to comment.
- The most important thing, I believe, is to acknowledge that there is a real live human behind every comment. A sophisticated and intelligent distillation of many thousands of years of evolution. Is a comment a minor transgression or a culmination of that person's being? Was there a reason for the act at that moment? Have you or I ever done the exact same thing? Did we view our reasons as different?
On that note, let's dive into a selection of comments that I found quite insightful.
Commentary Examined
Why does he think his colours work for his site and Ubuntu's doesn't?
Anyway, it seems that a lot of these bloggers agree on certain key points, why don't a group of them (if they're willing to write so much about it) get together and hash one out? It would be a good way to give back to the open community.- jasonhaley
First, I don't believe I took an issue with the color palette of the new Ubuntu identity. From what I can see, I see two legs of a potential triad. This is a huge step forward from monochrome. I'd love to see the third leg rolled into the presentation, or at the very least, see what happens if we do. It doesn't seem too far off of
Mr. Shuttleworth's three pillar approach either.
With regard to my site versus Ubuntu, well, that's me. It is my own little thing. I don't syndicate or publicize this blog. I prefer to let people that are interested find things they are interested in on their own, rather than having things thrust upon people that have no interest to read it. That said, I've been wanting to change the looks of the blog for a long while, and gear it more to be strictly content oriented. With the growing numbers of readers, I suppose I should have done that sooner. Apologies, and your point is acknowledged.
I think that the idea of hashing something out is entirely the hope of all of this. Maybe if we can discuss the merits of a direction based on goals and not random IZUGLY / ZOMGAWESOME, maybe we can get to a culture that sees the value in unique directions for different reasons. That culture is taking a while to build. I think we are getting there though. Heck the fact that this blog posting got any attention at all might be a testament to that.
It's nearly unreadable. Whoever thinks pumpkin orange, magenta, lavender and vomit green should be used -- together! -- for text on a dark brown background, should not be doing usability reviews. - grignr
Again, this is purely a personal little area, as stated above. I honestly never really intended for more than but a handful of people to ever even click here.
Unfortunately, I fear that I may have totally misworded my blog posting if you thought it was about usability. It was intended to be about art, design, and aesthetics. I tend to side with
Mark Boulton's belief on usability that if you "Look after the design [...] the usability will take care of itself." But alas, that is another discussion entirely.
It's nice how he believes his interpretation is objective. - eleitl
Oops. Again my bad. I in fact intended for it to entirely be a judgement piece. See, my view on art, design, aesthetics, experience and such is that you are hiring / paying / requesting someone's involvement purely for that judgement and opinion. It is why I value the amazing photography of
Claudio Miranda or the phenomenal and heroic work of
Matt Mahurin[1]. I don't want objectivity, I want to see the world through the eyes of talented visionaries.
What I do believe however, is that we are able to analyze art, design, presence, aesthetics, and such with an analytical eye. What are the goals? What is the communication? Who are we trying to speak to? In that light, I do firmly believe we can look at the execution and compare it against those constraints. Objective? Likely not. Then again, I am not entirely sure we can ever see things in a Platonic sense. Is it more productive than random conjecture? A resounding yes. This is what art and design study is entirely about - analyzing the work in context. Fair?
That guy might be a what in some cultures is called "a douche".
EDIT: What the f*ck does this even mean: "Publishing grid with a little bending of the rules. Predictable application as well touches on the Reliability tenet. Collaboration and such will implicitly be there by the featured Dents / Tweets / Blog / etc. Positive." - zecg
Apologies again. Through the strange machinations of the web, I have actually had the pleasure of meeting a pretty solid core of people. Those are the people that read this blog. I suppose to many in the outside world, I am just a douche. Granted. I also have extremely little insight into how all of this translates across so many different cultures. I learned full well that poking a joke at "Y'all" has offended some people, where it was a rather careless wording of language in an attempt to draw an analogy to a particular cliche. Point is, I can only control a certain degree of that, and gear this work to the audience at hand. I can certainly acknowledge that I should have explained myself better in areas. "Y'all" was one of them that I addressed in the comments. Your questions though, are equally valid however.
Bear in mind that you get about 10 seconds to have people read things. I can't change that. I tried to be point form specific for the people that read this blog. In order:
- "Publishing grid with a little bending of the rules. Predictable application as well touches on the Reliability tenet. " Publishing grids are found all over print media. This is a sign that the person creating the work has understanding of that and is a positive indicator. Compare against the work that came before, and you can see the earmarks of skill with regard to the new site design. Again this is extremely positive. It shows talent and care. I'll applaud that any day. The reference to a predictability works well with one of the goals of the project - Reliability - as you can use a grid and create a sense of variation as well. Again I'd say that when a design touches on the goals, it's fantastic. Caveat of course is that it ultimately depends on the context of the audience.
- "Collaboration and such will implicitly be there by the featured Dents / Tweets / Blog / etc." It's a bigger question here. How do we communicate the goals through the website's design? Collaboration is a damn tricky one. I'm not sure that there isn't a very interesting way to create that sense through the actual layout of the site design. That would remain an open design question that might have a solution. The obvious manner to highlight some degree of collaboration is to syndicate the Dents, Tweets, and Blog postings of the community that is collaborating on the project.
I hope that helps to clear things up.
I am afraid he just seemed to make up excuses for not liking it. I am currently using the theme right now and its a vast improvement over the previous brown. I will admit it could be better and will probably go back to shiki-colors, but I like the direction in which its moving. - flaarg
The posting was an attempt to analyze the merits of the design work in light of the declared goals. We never have had goals before in Ubuntu proper, and so this was a good chance to look at those goals. If I had to boil down my opinions to a single WANT / DONOTWANT, I'd hope that you see I am in favour of risk and change. I am in favour of the basis that is being laid.
There are bigger worries for me. Are we as a culture maturing enough to really hone in on an particular audience and deliver an exceptional experience to them? Are we willing to discuss the merits of one design decision over another based on goals and the audience? Are we willing to accept that things may be completely distasteful to one audience and be extremely compelling for another?
So I guess in short, I tried to examine if there was any direction at all or if it was a random board position from chess? If there is a direction, is there room where the execution or delivery could be more optimized? Are there inherent and low lying issues that are addressed or are we totally blinded by the change? How does it look to someone outside of the Libre culture and why? Extremely tough and challenging questions, I will agree.
he lost me when he started talking about western-centricity, i'm afraid. that's just grasping at straws in this context; the aesthetic of the computer desktop is western-centric by its sheer history, and other cultures have used that look and feel as a baseline even where they've blended it with their own thematic elements. the two articles he linked to in his introduction are a lot better. - zem
Zem, I don't know what to say other than you absolutely nailed it.I agree 110% with you. The desktop is Western centric I suspect. That worries me. I can't help but imagine how the forced solutions are to someone's world that revolves around Mandarin, for example. Are there areas where this likely causes issues in some other cultures? As an estimation, I'd likely say hell yes. And how much are those cultures excluded by traditional proprietary operating system things that we take for granted? Is there not a monumental chance for us in Libre culture to address those needs on a case by case basis? How much of a sincere strength is that when viewed in light of the proprietary and closed offerings? If you haven't read it, please see
Marco Van Hout's illuminating piece on the myth of Global Culture.
What I am
not entirely certain of is your belief that the melting pot is working. Maybe it is. My visceral reaction is that it isn't. And worse, the nature of exclusion is that you never really ever hear exactly how exclusion is working because the people that can tell you are excluded entirely.
I ask you though, what system to you believe is more capable of delivering that a compelling and experiential oriented computing system to that diversity of culture? Is it the proprietary and limited system or the Libre approach? If your answer is Libre, why aren't we more effective at dealing with it and instead justify our failures to address that diversity by comparing against the two big companies?
That discussion extends well past culture too, right into accessibility needs and requirements as well as industry specific deliveries. Yet another topic of course...
And yes,
Jay's and
Rich's posts are far better. I'd agree.
I like green.- PostMonkeh
I don't want to pretend to put words into someone's mouth, but what is stated here is a rather archetypal response. In summary, I can see "Well all art and design is subjective. DUH."
And yes. It is. It operates on the singular. It operates on the emotional.
That said, attempting to dismiss the fact that there are people that study it and practise it and analyse the context is difficult to avoid. Why do you look at composition the way you do? What is 'good'? Wasn't Disco good? Then it wasn't? Now it is again? Why? What the heck does a soup can have to do with capital A art? In reality, when you study art / design / etc. you learn very quickly that the language of art and design is constantly evolving in response to the context. It evolves out of response to the culture. It evolves and weaves with history.
In short, while I don't really accept the absolutism implied in
Andy Rutledge's excellent article, it nails the general point - design and art are language.
Lastly, there was one comment which has since been deleted. It was something along the lines of:
That is one Pepsi generation explanation. - unknown
Apologies if I mangled the quote.
This last one is the one that perhaps is the most frustrating to me. Not because someone said it, but rather because I truly believe it is not entirely what our culture believes. Dismiss me with it, but please don't dismiss the core of the idea.
I'd like to think that Libre culture has some of the brightest and most intelligent people alive. They not only understand the importance of computing but they also understand clearly its role in our society and why, fundamentally, that that role shouldn't be governed and bound by some corporation.
The problem here is though, that it cuts to the bone of analysis. Should we analyze kernel drivers? Should we scrutinize how the scheduler works in the kernel? Should we evaluate how xxx works in context yyy?
I would hope that you believe the answer is "Heck yes!" to those scenarios. Now ask yourself if you would hold the same degree of scrutiny to the art, design, presence, and experience side of this equation? Do you want people dealing specifically with the issues or do you want glassy thin voting UP / DOWN? Do you want our culture to evolve past where we seem to have been stuck regarding those matters for how long? Do you want our choices to be justified and reasonable to the outsiders that will no doubt tear it to shreds and analyze it with the scrutiny that it deserves?
I don't want to create the illusion that I'm for the waffly bullsh*t-baffles-brains approach that take us down
the waffly path that Pepsi took. To be fair though, I don't think anyone can appreciate how much duress that poor design team was under completely redoing the look for a soft drink bastion. That's billions of dollars that you need to justify somehow. Not agreeing with it, but I can surely see the ridiculous pressure there.
So with that, I'll end another ridiculously long blog post. Sorry for those people that need it all boiled down into three words. I'll never be able to do that.
Once again, I thank you all for reading. I'd say there are a lot of good signs that we have evolved tremendously in only a few years. We have a lot of ground to cover still though. If I had to leave you with one request, it would be that we don't try to distill things down to a Digg system, as it grossly oversimplifies the complexities.
I am but the sum of your clicks...
[1] If I had to pick one single individual that has influenced me more, I could do no worse than to cite Matt Mahurin. Long before I really studied photography, his work was impacting my brain. Long before I went onto University to study fine arts, his work was a reference. You may not know who he is. You may know his work. Enough said.